Second Thessalonians chapter two has been the nemesis for pretribulationism. Or what I refer to as the 800-pound gorilla in the Bible of the pretribulationist. This biblical passage has convinced more ex-pretribulationists that their pretrib theology is wrong than any other Bible passage. The reason for this is straightforward: The fundamental premise of pretribulationism is […]
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Did Jerome in the Latin Vulgate Understand Discessio in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as ‘Defection’ or ‘Physical Departure’?
(This is a guest post by Dr. Dean Furlong) Latin Vulgate: “ne quis vos seducat ullo modo quoniam nisi venerit discessio primum et revelatus fuerit homo peccati filius perditionis” (2 Thess 2:3) I want to thank Dr. Alan Kurschner for inviting me to write a guest post on Jerome’s translation of the Greek word apostasia […]
A Reply to Andy Woods on ‘APOSTASIA Is the Rapture’ – Ep. 104
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http://traffic.libsyn.com/thebiblicalprophecyprogram/A_Reply_to_Andy_Woods_on_APOSTASIA_Is_the_Rapture_-_Ep._104.mp3Podcast: Play in new window | Download | EmbedAt a recent pretrib Bible prophecy conference, Andy Woods relied on the flawed research of H. Wayne House’s Greek statements, and worse, Woods used it with fallacious reasoning to attempt to argue that the “apostasy” Paul mentions in 2 Thess 2:3 refers to the rapture. I exposed […]
REVISITING THE QUESTION: Is the ‘Apostasy’ in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 a Reference to the Rapture?
I have addressed this question many times here and have shown that not only is there no evidence for this, but it is indicative of how many pretribs white-knuckle their pretrib Tradition. To be sure, there are many pretribs and some of their most noted theologians who think this is a really bad argument for […]
The Greek Noun Apostasia Never Means a ‘Physical-Spatial Departure,’ e.g. the Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (Part 1) – Ep. 84
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Reply to H. Wayne House on the Claim that APOSTASIA Can Mean ‘Spatial Departure’
In my public debate in the cross-examination period with Thomas Ice I honed in on the Greek noun apostastia in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. I finally got him to admit in our cross-examination that he was incapable of producing a single document in all of Koine literature where apostasia means a “spatial departure.” (See the video […]
My Cross-Examination Period with Thomas Ice in the Prewrath vs Pretrib Debate
DEBATE VIDEO: Pre-Wrath vs Pre-Tribulational Rapture | Bible Prophecy
It’s been over a year now since I debated Thomas Ice. I am glad the debate happened because thousands of people have either listened to the debate audio or watched the video. I have received numerous positive emails since then, including ex-pretribbers who thought I made a better biblical case for the rapture and Antichrist […]
Does Apostasia in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Refer to a ‘Physical Departure’ (i.e. the Rapture)?
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion (apostasia) comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction – 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ESV (some versions render “rebellion” as “apostasy” or “falling away”) Second Thessalonians chapter two has been the nemesis for pretribulationism. […]
Richardson and Ice Briefly Debate the Antichrist
If you did not have the chance to catch my recent discussion / debate with Dr. Thomas Ice on Up For Debate hosted by Julie Roys on Moody Radio then you can listen to it here: http://www.moodyradio.org/radioplayer.aspx?episode=165779
RAPTURE DEBATE ANNOUNCEMENT: Alan E. Kurschner (Prewrath) and Thomas Ice (Pretribulational)
UPDATE HERE! https://www.alankurschner.com/rapture Rapture Debate: September, 25, 2015 in Plano Texas at The Hope Center. The thesis is: The Church Will Face the Antichrist Before the Rapture Prewrath exponent Kurschner will take the affirmative and Pretrib exponent Ice will take the negative. Be sure to click on the link for more information and registration. […]